Where will we hide?

The CUF folks ask "What do CUF Catholics do about Rudy?" in The Giuliani Dilemma and the Price of Purity (or Impurity!)

Do we:

A) Repeat the same arguments used against John Kerry, to the effect that it would be impossible or nearly so for a Catholic to support him in good conscience? And then if he wins the nomination, do we support Clinton, who has no pretense of being Catholic; back a third party “values” candidate; or stay home entirely? In any event, the result would be the same—a big win for Hillary. Purity—in this case at the price of whatever damage a 4–8 year Clinton interregnum would do.

Or, B) Do we support another GOP candidate and deny the nomination to Giuliani even though, according to polls, none of the others is as likely to win in November?
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My answer is B. And I would say that Ron Paul is probably has the closest to a Catholic stance of any. Huckabee talks big, but seems to be for big government. Ron Paul is pro-life but not for the federal government being involved in a state issue.

A federal amendment is not the answer. It just gives credence that that congress should be involved in this issue that truly belongs at the state level. And then when congress decides to change their mind and make abortion rights an amendment, then we will have "cut down all the laws to get at the devil" and where will we hide when "the devil turns on us" (to quote St. Thomas More from "A man from all seasons".)

Real Rudy?

From The REAL Rudy.

Interesting look at Rudy Giuliani's and the management of 9/11. One item to note in the video, watch the background for Jerry Hauer and Eileen Tallon. Looks like a Rosary and possibly some other Catholic statues or pictures in the office of Hauer. And pretty clearly a statue of Jesus on the shelf behind Eileen Tallon. Not surprising, just interesting to note.



via the Green Libertarian on Huckleberries

Is it the end?

Either way there is a silver lining. If Giuliani doesn't get the nomination, perhaps the GOP will recognize the need for the pro-life plank in their platform. His downward spiral certainly has shown the conviction of the moral conservatives.

If he gets the nomination and proceeds to lose the election, (I can't see a pro-war, anti-life candidate winning. Kinda like the worst of both worlds.) he could take the entire Republican party down in flames with him and we could see a legitimate third party emerge. It may be a painful four years, but similar to purgatory; it would be worth it to break up the current stranglehold of corruption.

Pro-Life Leaders Won’t Vote for Rudy Giuliani Over Abortion

Richard Land of the Southern Baptist Convention was a strong supporter of President Bush during his 2000 and 2004 presidential campaigns but said he would not vote for Giuliani in the 2008 general election, even though the Democratic nominee will almost assuredly be pro-abortion as well.

"I'm not going to vote for a pro-choice candidate, period," he said, speaking on behalf of himself and not the convention.

Tony Perkins, the president of the Family Research Council, was equally strong in his comments about how he would treat Giuliani in the voting booth.

"Speaking as a private citizen, no, no, I could not support (Giuliani)," Perkins told Politico. "The 20 years I've been involved in politics, the life issue has been at the very top. How could I turn my back on that?"

He said he would likely support a third-party candidate should Giuliani carry the GOP standard next fall.

Divine intervention

A very humorous "intervention" in tonights debate as Giuliani answered a question about the bishop who took him to task over his stance on abortion.

Wonder if he will have a conversion on the road to Des Moines now too? Doubt it. His reasoning that he "consulted his religion and the constitution" caused my wife to ask, which religion and which constitution? The ones he is inferring to have some very pointed stances on the sanctity of life.

Giuliani didn't seem to get the message, but his colleagues on stage did. They all suddenly gave him plenty of space while he finished the comment.

Who says God doesn't still speak in our time?